Navigating the Turbulent Waters of Cybersecurity: Nationalism, Economics And AI

Welcome to the Razorwire podcast. In this episode, I delve into the turbulent waters of cyber security with Razorwire favourite, Oliver Rochford. We’ll be discussing a range of topics that are currently shaping the industry, including economic challenges, nationalism and the continuing impact of the pandemic.

We’ll also be exploring the use of acronyms, consolidation and rationalisation in the vendor space, and the development and potential dangers of AI. But that’s not all! We’ll also be taking a closer look at the weaponisation of security, the need for active security and moving target defence, and the potential for mergers and acquisitions in the industry.

So sit back, relax and get ready for some valuable insights into the challenges and opportunities facing the cyber security industry. 

“Planning a security project over two years is far too long. It’s ludicrous, you’ve missed the moving target by the time you’re finished. What you’ve done – it’s outdated.”

Oliver Rochford

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In this episode, we covered:

  • The economic challenges in the information security space, including the waves of layoffs and the continuing impact of the pandemic on the industry
  • The overhype of cloud usage and companies spending their entire security budget on cloud and data costs
  • The impact of new legislation on security costs and the potential consequences of not securing to the required level
  • The dangers of AI and the lack of global consensus on its development
  • The impact of nationalism on cyber security and the use of technology from certain countries
  • The potential weaponisation of security and the impact on cyber insurance
  • The economic challenges in the information security industry
  • The evolution of pen testing, combining automation and the need for continuous assurance
  • The need for better standards in the industry to enable easier mixing and matching of technologies
  • How the future of cyber operations would look if we have to go into a low power mode


Oliver Rochford

Oliver has worked in cyber security as a penetration tester, consultant, researcher, and industry analyst for over 20 years. He has been interviewed, cited, and quoted by the media, think tanks, and academia. He has written for Securityweek, CSO Online, and Dark Reading. While working at Gartner, he co-named the Security Orchestration, Automation, and Response (SOAR) market, worked on the SIEM Magic Quadrant, and also covered the European MSSP market. Prior to joining Securonix, Oliver worked for Qualys, Verizon, Gartner,  Tenable, and Securonix. Oliver is the Chief Furitist at Tenzir, where he works on product strategy and marketing. 

Resources Mentioned


NSA Snowdon Files

Chat GPT


Razors Edge – Continuous Pen Testing

Vulcan Papers

Ray Kurzweil – Singularity Is Near (book)

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